OLD BRIDGE TOWNSHIP COUNCIL
AGENDA MEETING
May 15, 2000
An Agenda meeting of the Township Council of the Township of Old Bridge was held on May 15, 2000 in the Municipal Complex. The meeting was called to order by Vice-President Butler who asked all present to participate in a salute to the flag which was followed by a short prayer.
Deputy Clerk Stella Ward announced that this meeting is being held in conformance with the open public meetings act, notice has been given to the newspaper and notice of the meeting has been posted in public places. The next open public meeting of the council will be held on Monday May 22nd at 8:00 p.m.
Roll call by, Clerk Stella Ward, Councilmen Cucchiara, Greene, Hoff, Redmond, Vice-President Butler. Councilwoman Marinaccio was absent from the podium. Councilmen Sohor, Testino, President Maher were late.
GUEST
Mike Kozolowski
Councilman Cucchiara: Mike Kozolowski is here and Mike had spoken to me. Mike is the president of the Lowell Home Owners Association. It has nothing to do with that hearing. What Mike is bringing up tonight is some reference into the way trees are planted in the township in new developments and he just wants to give us some ideas and some insight.
Mike Kozolowski, 5 Emily Drive Old Bridge, which as Gerry said is part of Lowell Manor which prompted me to try and address the council in terms of considering an ordinance and/or a shade tree commission to oversee the planting of trees and their overall caring in the township. Mostly because of the problems we've encountered I'm sure it's going to occur in other future developments and I'm sure it's occurred in the past where trees are number one not properly planted for the longevity of the tree, the specie selection is not the correct species for the location it is going in, the locations that they're planted in is not quite appropriate. You'll have an extremely large tree planted right next to a street light, common sense you're going to have problems with the tree growing into the street lights which is number one interfering with the illumination of the street which the township is paying for homeowners, and neighbors and pedestrians walking at night are going to complain that the streets aren't lit up. So there's a whole host of problems with not having someone oversee the proper selection and planting of the trees. If the trees aren't planted correctly at the start it's going to stress the trees out which will just introduce the potential for diseases and bugs to come in. Once the disease and the insects come in it just has a domino effect right down the road. I see it every day in some of the towns that I work in, one tree has it and it just domino effects right down the road. The idea of having a shade tree ordinance or a council which can oversee these things can head some of these problems off before they even start. They can make sure that when the trees come into the township, be it for a new shopping center that goes in, for a park, anything of that nature, that first of all the tree is healthy and the tree is in good condition, it hasn't been damaged during transport, it hasn't been severely dehydrated because it hasn't been watered for several days in extreme heat sitting on the top of a flatbed waiting to be delivered, making sure it was properly planted and protected for a couple of years. There's a wrapping that should go around the bark of the tree to prevent frost cracks which just produces an opening in the bark for bugs. There is so much information that needs to be known when the tree is going in. My neighborhood is starving for trees. Summertime we're baking to death because naturally it's a new development and there's no trees to provide any shade, and to see things going improperly or things that aren't maintained it really hurts me and I'm sure there's a lot of residents out there that hopefully will feel the same way, that things that aren't being done correctly that should be done correctly and yet there's nobody to turn to say I need help to try to get something resolved. And my particular problem I checked with the town and they had no commissioner that I could go to. So in essence I tried to go and resolve things through the engineering department and the builder which it's turning out to be a little bit of a fiasco to be hearing. But to get away from that we also run into problems with your street, sidewalks and curbs. Trees of the right species aren't put in, we heard a couple of meetings ago orders are being issued to redo curbs. The ones you have for forty-six years the curbs are crumbling yet trees are a number one cause of curbs collapsing, sidewalks being lifted which is number one a big expense because you have to redo it. Number two that tree will then have to come down because they're going to cut the roots in order to put the sidewalk back to level. Then the tree becomes a hazard because you cut the anchoring loose the tree is going to come over in a storm and now it's a hazard to homeowners and a lot of people will say it's a big tree we don't want to go through the cost of removing it, we'll leave it and when the time comes the tree comes down and then they say well maybe we should have taken it down at that point. The expertise at hand, somebody comes and says this one can't stay, this one has to come down, this tree should be removed because it's dead, it's diseased right here along the sidewalk on 516 coming down from the traffic light towards the high school there's at least a half dozen trees stone dead not fifteen feet away from that sidewalk and I'm sure high school students walk down that walk and yet I don't think there's anybody out there pushing to get those trees down before they kill someone. There's trees right outside the municipal complex so dead and rotten they're falling on their own now. Luckily it hasn't fallen on the building or anything like that. People that are in a position to oversee these things can prevent that. If there's existing developments and trees have to be removed, if there's a new planting that's going to occur if there's overhead power lines you can't put a tree that's going to grow forty, fifty, sixty feet tall because the wires are only twenty-five to fifty feet tall. So with the right people in hand a lot of problems can be avoided before they get done. We've learned from the past but we're having a hard time putting that knowledge that we've acquired over the years from mistakes in preventing some of our future problems when we have the opportunity to do it, and I'm hoping that the council will consider creating either an ordinance where someone from the township should be contacted so that the proper tree is put in or that the removal of the tree is the right thing to do, whether it's justified, so that someone just says I don't want a tree, I want to take the tree down. Well go ahead and take it down. Is there a perfectly good reason because it's dead or diseased or is it because I just don't like trees I don't want to rake the leaves, which I've come across in my experience. So I'm truly hopeful that the township will consider an ordinance, or like I said a commission or a commissioner to oversee these types of nature so that everybody can enjoy what's out there, the green leaves, the shade, which help improve our neighborhood and our township. And in our parks there's trees that need to be maintained so that everybody's out there on a hot day where are they? They're under the tree. But if you have a hazardous tree who's out there to say we need to do something about it when somebody is underneath it and gets hurt or killed because it wasn't properly maintained. So I thank Gerry for inviting me down here to give my little speech or presentation. It's not much of a presentation. I know the council is constantly busy so I didn't want to do any great big long presentation, but just a few highlights of the reasons why counsel or some kind of a commission is necessary. I've heard of the environmental commission but how involved they are with trees or what kind of knowledge they have I don't know. The Planning Board needs to be involved with the commission so that when a new development or a building goes in that the right trees go in the right place so that trees aren't planted on top of the electric wires or right next to a sewer line where the roots are going to go and have to come down because the sewers are blocked. There are so many things that need to be looked at, I truly hope that the township will consider a shade tree ordinance where if someone wants to take a tree down be it a fee or a permit or a replacement one for two or some sort of nature like that and with the commissioner in hand they can formulate some sort of an ordinance and guidelines to follow to help keep our town green.
Councilman Butler: Mike can I ask you a question? How do you have so much knowledge and information? Are you involved with trees?
Mr. Kozolowski: Presently I work for a utility and my job is to try to keep the trees from burning power. And I've gone to Rutgers University Cook College for forestry.
Councilman Butler: Because you sound very knowledgeable and I think whatever needs to be done, Gerry you need to put this on the agenda, maybe we need to have Mike involved in whatever the process is going to be.
Councilman Cucchiara: The mayor was at a meeting with me too when we were at Lowell Home Owner's Association we had discussed this and we're going to take a look into it and try to put a shade tree commission together or something. We'll take a look at it definitely.
Thank you Mike I appreciate you coming down.
Councilman Redmond: If my memory serves me correct, doesn't Metuchen have a shade tree commission? I think I read something about that maybe they may have an ordinance.
Mayor Cannon: East Brunswick does. We used to have one many many years ago, but some of the problems that this gentleman was bringing up, we do have Mr. Lavallo who is our tree expert and we need to utilize him to review the plans to make sure that at least with the new development that the appropriate trees are being planted and also for inspection purposes. But the shade tree commission has much broader responsibilities and also you can get this tree city designation which you can apply for grants and so forth to acquire seedlings and have the wherewith all to obtain more trees. So I think it's a good idea.
Councilman Cucchiara: Thanks again Mike, and we definitely will be working on that.
HEARINGS
H-1 Release/Reduction Performance Guarantee - All Star Car Wash
Pinder Sumal: We are granting a release of this application. We inspected the works and find it acceptable.
President Maher: Is this the car wash on Route 34?
Mr. Sumal: Yes, Route 34 by Cheesequake School.
President Maher: Any council comments or questions?
Councilman Testino: This is right by my office so I'll abstain. It looks like they did a good job though.
Councilman Butler: Pinder you said you found everything working the way it should be basically and the engineer department is approving the project?
Mr. Sumal: Yes.
President Maher: I want to congratulate you for coming here to town. I know that was an eyesore that spot that you bought there, that old gas station. I do ride by there frequently and you seem to have cleaned up that corner and it looks like it's a nice addition to town what you've done there at that intersection. I've gotten some feedback from the people in Central Park.
MOTION
Councilman Butler moved to approve Release of the Performance Guarantee - All Star Car Wash, seconded by Councilman Greene and so ordered on the following roll call vote:
AYES: Councilmen Butler, Greene, Hoff, Redmond, President Maher.
NAYS: None.
ABSTAIN: Councilman Testino.
ABSENT PODIUM: Councilwoman Marinaccio, Councilman Cucchiara.
ABSENT: Councilman Sohor.
Prior to the roll call vote President Maher opened the hearing to the public. Seeing no hands he opened it to council comments. No council comments.
H-2 Release/Reduction Performance Guarantee - Park's Edge Requesting New Hearing Date of: Tuesday June 13, 2000 at 7:30 p.m.
President Maher: We're just setting a date. The new hearing date is going to be June 13, 2000. Is that a combined meeting? Do we need to do it on a combined meeting?
Clerk Saracino: No, you can do it on June 26th.
President Maher: I'd like to make that June 26th rather than the 13th since the 13th is a combined meeting.
HEARINGS - MAY 22, 2000
H-1 Release/Reduction Performance Guarantee - Lowell Manor (Formerly known as Greystone Village)
H-2 Release/Reduction Performance Guarantee - Hampton Court
ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING
ORD. #23-00 Amending Sections 12-15 and 12-16, Fire Prevention
No discussion.
CONSENT AGENDA
C-1 Bingo/Raffle
C-2 Block Party - Heather Drive - Saturday, August 12, 2000 (Rain date 8/13)
C-3 Lakeridge Memorial Day Parade, Saturday, May 27, 2000 at 10:30 a.m.) BC)
All moved up to Monday May 22nd.
DISCUSSION ORDINANCE
DO-1 Bond Ordinance for Sidewalk Replacement (HS)
President Maher: Is Himanshu here? What is this?
Administrator Shepler: Himanshu could not be here this evening, he has a tax collectors and treasurers association conference that he's attending. This is a proposed ordinance
that council has been talking about for some time for the voluntary sidewalk replacement program. This ordinance would put into place an ordinance for one hundred thousand dollars which would allow us to take the initial twenty-two to twenty-five people who have signed up for the program or expressed an interest in the program. We've anticipated that cost was anywhere between forty-five and forty-nine thousand dollars. But this ordinance would then allow us to accept other people because we do assume that once someone sees their neighbor having their sidewalk replaced that we will have other people who are just as interested. As you know this is a special assessment ordinance, although the township has to provide the ordinance in this instance the homeowner who benefits is assessed a fee for the cost of the improvement. This fee becomes a lien upon the property and it can be paid off either in one lump sum or in ten annual installments which is in the body of the ordinance.
Councilman Hoff: Is that part of a tax lien that would be placed on that home?
Administrator Shepler: This is actually a tax lien upon the property. It does show on your tax bill, yes.
Councilman Testino: I had a question about that's the entire cost, is that right?
Administrator Shepler: It's the entire cost.
Councilman Testino: The homeowner's going to pay the entire cost, we're just fronting the money is that right?
Administrator Shepler: We're just bidding it for them, yes.
Councilman Testino: We're doing more than bidding, we're fronting the money.
Administrator Shepler: We are actually coming up with the cash if they in fact agree to do it over an installment rather than a one time cost. Obviously the contractor will be paid, yes.
Councilman Testino: Is there an interest charge?
Administrator Shepler: Yes there is, a common interest, it's in the body of the ordinance you're looking at.
Councilman Testino: Whatever we pay in interest they're going to pay us right?
Administrator Shepler: That's correct. The other question is will this be marked like if they're selling they're home, will it be marked on the tax records as something that's outstanding so that it will be paid off?
Administrator Shepler: Yes. It does appear as a lien upon the property and it does show as a search. It would be revealed within the search, yes it would be.
Councilman Testino: He asked you before, I didn't hear the answer but I just want to make sure that the internal mechanisms so when people call up for these things they're going to get us paid.
Administrator Shepler: They show as an actual lien against the property until such time as it's paid off.
Councilman Testino: If you know what the scenario is somebody fixes up the front of their house sells it and next thing you know the new people come in and say I never knew about it.
Administrator Shepler: No. It will be properly recorded as a lien upon the property.
Councilman Hoff: Mr. Chairman I guess I should ask Rocky this but if there's no question about it if the things are built in bulk under the specifications that the town provides it's a pretty good bet that they get the best price. But once they sign up for this thing do the people have the option to accept their price or do they still have the right to do it on their own?
Administrator Shepler: They have the right to either do it themselves or do it under our program.
Councilman Hoff: But if they're in the program do they have a right before they sign the dotted line to do it on their own?
Administrator Shepler: Yes they do.
Councilman Greene: Ms. Shepler on the payment over time did you say it was ten annual payments?
Administrator Shepler: That's correct. We originally talked about five, however when Himanshu and I looked at this ordinance with bond counsel we've done it ten annual installments.
Councilman Greene: So it's payment over the period of ten years.
Administrator Shepler: That's correct.
Councilman Greene: The taxes are paid quarterly right so it's...
Administrator Shepler: One annual payment.
President Maher: Do we have copies of this draft ordinance? I don't have it in my packet.
Councilman Greene: No, I don't either.
Administrator Shepler: I have a copy dated May 8th that went to council and I have my copy present with me.
Councilman Testino: I don't know that it was in this packet. It came to us before.
Councilman Redmond: No, I just was looking at it.
Administrator Shepler: It was dated May 8th, it was probably in your prior package. Does the Clerk have a copy?
President Maher: She has a copy but the council didn't get the copy. Does anyone here have a copy?
Councilman Testino: I read it already, somebody gave it to me.
Councilman Redmond: I was just looking at it.
President Maher: Does anyone else have any questions? We're going to move it up.
DISCUSSION RESOLUTION
DR-1 Resolution Enabling Alliance of Cablevision Towns (AS)
Administrator Shepler: As you know Councilman Sohor has been discussing a meeting that he had recently with various communities who wish to ban together to see what we can do to increase the profitability to the townships and to also get certain concessions from the franchising. In this case it's Cablevision of Raritan and this is merely an ordinance that says these towns agree to form this alliance to work together to see what can be done in terms of the cablevision franchise renewals.
Councilman Testino: Why do we need an ordinance for that?
Administrator Shepler: It's not an ordinance; it's a resolution.
Councilman Testino: I thought you said ordinance.
Administrator Shepler: The resolution I provided you is a sample of Sayreville's I believe.
Councilman Testino: Move it up.
DR-2 Supporting Bills S-1162 and A 2308 banning hunting of Native Black Bears in New Jersey (TB)
Move it up. I know we did get copies of this from the senate and assembly bills.
Councilman Testino: How many black bear did we find in Old Bridge?
Councilman Hoff: Twenty-five as of last count.
DR-3 Approval of Settlement Agreement in the case of Township of Old Bridge v. Richard & Vincent Napoliello (WSR)
No discussion
DR-4 United States Life Insurance Policy Renewal (AS)
President Maher: Fifteen percent is this?
Administrator Shepler: I believe it's ten percent. Approximately ten percent.
President Maher: Is that the industry standard?
Administrator Shepler: Yes it is and this is the only vendor. This is our police officer's life insurance policy. This is the only vendor who will supply this policy. It's not only a life insurance it's an AD & D, accidental death and dismemberment.
President Maher: Is ten percent the industry standard?
Administrator Shepler: Quite frankly right now it's below the industry standard.
President Maher: Move it up.
DR-5 Supporting Senate Bill No. 268 (Allowing the Municipality to perform Internet Options for the sale of bonds.) (ET)
No discussion.
DR-6 Cancellation of Mortgage for Frank & Celeste Collazo (WSR)
No discussion.
DR-7 Cancellation of Mortgage for Elisha & Margaret Conte (WSR)
No discussion.
DR-8 Resolution setting the date for amount for the lien on the Gustav Sigmund Property (Waiving Interest) (WSR)
Councilman Butler: Why are we waiving this interest?
Councilman Testino: This is part of the deal that we struck with the family when they came before us about two years ago. I guess the attorney's office slipped and didn't put the resolution in front of us at the time. Is that right?
Administrator Shepler: That is correct.
Councilman Testino: So it would be more appropriate memorializing the prior action of the council or what?
Administrator Shepler: No, there was discussion as you remember two years ago as to whether in fact I believe Mr. Gustav Sigmund's children appeared before this council and asked that the entire lien on the property be removed. Council at that time decided that was inappropriate since township taxpayers dollars had been expended. However, there was a discussion at that time that it was supposed to move forward in a much more rapid fashion and council had agreed that there would not be an interest charge. It has been well over one year since this occurred, however when Mr. Ruggierio spoke to me I felt that it still should be a valid consideration since council had in fact given the heirs of Mr. Sigmund the belief that this would occur. So I would recommend that no interest be charged and we accept the dollar amount of the lien which is approximately $17,000.
Councilman Testino: Mr. President we don't have anymore problems with that property now right?
Administrator Shepler: I haven't been told of any. Part of the agreement with the heirs obviously was that the property be kept in respectable condition and none of the neighbors have complained. We have not had one single complaint.
Councilman Testino: Before we finalize this maybe we should check.
Administrator Shepler: I can have someone go out and do an inspection before next week.
Councilman Testino: You went there Rock?
Administrator Shepler: We have Mr. Donatelli's representation that the area's clean.
Councilman Testino: That's fine. I just wanted to make sure that somebody from our administration went out there and made sure they weren't still giving us problems. I know you had to get like a backhoe or bulldozer out there. Move it up.
DR-9 Memorialize Release of Performance Guarantee - Most Holy Redeemer Church
No discussion.
DR-10 Award of Contract #0023 Higgins Road Soccer Complex Parking Lot Development to Tarheel Enterprise, Inc., Morgan, New Jersey in the Amount of $80,250.00 (CERT. #891) (AFFIRM. ACT.) (TB)
Councilman Hoff: Mr. Chairman, I see Tarheel trucks all around. Have they ever performed work for the township?
Administrator Shepler: Yes.
Councilman Hoff: They have, so apparently there's no problem. The bids were very close too by the way.
Administrator Shepler: They have worked for us before.
President Maher: What are we putting down here asphalt or cinder?
Mr. Badcock: Asphalt.
President Maher: And are we going to do the whole parking lot in asphalt?
Mr. Badcock: Yes.
President Maher: And the old one is still going to be in cinder?
Mr. Badcock: Yeah, we don't have money to do that. This is from a state grant, this is not from the bonding.
President Maher: Where is this parking lot going again? I know we talked about it.
Mr. Badcock: Between the field on the road and the road.
President Maher: And how far of a distance off the road is the parking lot going to be?
Mr. Badcock: It will be thirty feet.
President Maher: Off from where it will end from where cars will be parked from the shoulder of the road, thirty feet?
Mr. Badcock: To the existing road? Yes.
President Maher: So we've moved it back quite a bit. At one time it was about eight foot.
Mr. Badcock: No it was never eight foot. It's going to be set between a hill, we're going to have to break into the hill and change the grade on the hill going up to the soccer field.
President Maher: Oh, the parking lot is going to be in the back now not on the road?
Mr. Badcock: No Dennis it's the same place that we always talked about. It's set back off the road. We're going to try to save as many of the good trees as we can and we're going to put in new trees on the site all the way along the road.
President Maher: I forget, now is there going to be an entrance into this new parking lot from Higgins Road?
Mr. Badcock: Answer inaudible.
President Maher: So we're cutting another entrance into the parking lot. Did we get an opinion from Traffic and Safety about cutting a road in?
Mr. Badcock: Well they have to do an on site study to see if they know that the line of site is fine. They would have to do that before they do a design for it.
President Maher: Let's get an opinion from Traffic & Safety.
Councilman Hoff: There is no traffic out there anyway.
President Maher: If you can drop off some designs up in the council room I'd like to see them. Pinder, do you guys support placement of this parking lot, does Nelson? Can you check with Nelson to see if it's his recommendation where the parking lot goes, he supports that?
Moved up.
DR-11 Award of Contract #0018 Tree Removal Service to Coffman Tree Service in the Amount Of $50.00/hr for tree removal & $30.00/hr for stump removal (RD) (CERT. #892) (AFFIRM. ACT.)
No discussion.
DR-12 Award of Professional Services Contract for Queen Yacenda Wetlands Delineation, Letter of Intent (L.O.I.) Land Survey to T & M Associates, Middletown, N.J. In the Amount of $40,200.00 (CERT. #893) ( AFFIRM. ACT.) (TB)
Councilman Redmond: This is out of the bond money right, this $40,200.00?
Councilman Testino: This better be. That's why we put it in there.
Councilman Redmond: I thought that $30,000.00 is what we had set for this and it was $70,000.00 altogether. This is the engineering. This is the wetlands delineation of the other lot.
Mr. Badcock: There's a letter of intent from the DEP in the property survey.
Councilman Redmond: Okay.
Councilman Testino: Tom will they be flagging the wetlands out in the field?
Mr. Badcock: They do some of the aerials.
Councilman Testino: I might be a novice but usually when they go out in the field and they flag it in the field you get a better wetlands line then you do if you use the aerials. So that's why I was asking because we might pick up more land to use in the park if they flag it in the field. For forty thousand I thought maybe they were walking in the field.
Mr. Badcock: They do walk in the field but they don't just use a map, they walk the site. But I'm just saying they don't put markers out everywhere, no.
Councilman Testino: I would ask that you look into having them flag it because if we have a problem with the letter of delineation then DEP just comes out and they look at the flags. If they spot check a couple of flags then they might go with their whole survey. If they find there's no flags out there then they're going to turn around and ask that it be done and it will take us a longer time.
Mr. Badcock: Just so you understand it's the same standard survey in delineation work. We've had it done probably three or four times already. It's similar to that. It's the same process that we use with Green Acres and with DEP. Technically what they do when they're in the field I'll get that for you.
Councilman Testino: Maybe because we're public we don't want to flag every inch of the land but I've seen when people are looking for more land, and I've had a few clients that do this, they flag the areas and then they challenge the aerials where the DEP is drawing their delineations off of and a lot of times because of the soils or whatever they're finding out there in the land they can get more acreage and we have less of either a mitigation problem or a buffer problem if we actually have a field test that we wanted to go out and see.
President Maher: Pinder, do you agree with Mr. Testino?
Mr. Pinder: I think it's good... not clear.
President Maher: So you would concur with what he's saying.
Councilman Testino: I'm just saying for forty thousand dollars we might challenge some of what DEP has on their surveys already.
President Maher: Where are we going with this? Do we want to get back to T&M and see if they're going to do it that way?
Councilman Testino: I don't know how they're doing it. They may have some flagging in their bid already. I don't know, I haven't looked at the specs, that's why I was asking Tom.
Mr. Badcock: Okay. It's a standard spec and we have the major requirements. They are in the field. They're not just looking at aerial maps.
President Maher: Okay. In the interim we're going to move it up?
Moved up.
DR-13 Award of Professional Services Contract for Civic Center Renovation Project Re-Bid to M.J. Barone in the Amount of $1,865.00 (CERT. #894) (AFFIRM. ACT.)
Councilman Hoff: What's the estimated cost for the project?
Mr. Badcock: Probably $550,000.00 This is additional work for the new bid processing. We're going out to bid the second time.
Councilman Hoff: My question would be then the professional service for the rebid, no doubt you covered supervision and everything else plus project management in the first bid. And what was this amount that you paid for blowing it for the first? Can I ask you that?
Mr. Badcock: I'd have to go back and check.
Councilman Hoff: I'm just curious because it seems like there's an awful lot of professional contract fees for this thing and you tell me the project is estimated $550,000.00. Right?
Mr. Badcock: Yes, $550,000.00 is what we're estimating it at and this is for the additional work he needs to do to rebid the project.
Councilman Hoff: But there's not enough to cover basically the design and everything else in that money but I just wondered what's the total amount you paid for it? Could you get me that possibly? Thank you.
Moved up.
DR-14 Authorize Sale of Block 17000, Lot 27.12 and authorize the payment of a commission not to exceed 5% (AS)
Councilman Redmond: Which property is this?
Administrator Shepler: This is the Barsel piece which is in the hospital abatement zone. This is the piece we acquired through foreclosure.
Councilman Redmond: This is the one we discussed whether it was a million or eight hundred.
Administrator Shepler: That's correct. Councilman Testino at that time had asked that we place... I had originally asked council to place the property at $850,000.00 asking price with a commission of 5% to be paid to a realtor and I believe Mr. Testino said a million first and Himanshu concurred.
Councilman Redmond: What I'm concerned about is the 5%. I thought we were negotiating with someone already on this property.
Administrator Shepler: We cannot negotiate on this property. This has to go to public auction. We went to public auction on two occasions and no bidders appeared so I then asked council...
Councilman Redmond: Maybe I'm misunderstanding the process here. Here's what I'm worried about. Once you sign a contract with the realtor even if you sold it on your own you still have to pay the 5%.
Administrator Shepler: That's correct, you're obligated to pay that 5%. That's the maximum allowable...
Councilman Redmond: Now you say you went out to a public auction and what happened nobody bid on it or the bids were too low?
Administrator Shepler: That's correct, no one bid on it.
Attorney Ruggierio: We could sell it on our own.
Councilman Redmond: But you'd still have to pay the commission. That's the way it works. If the realtor advertises it in a listing somewhere...
Councilman Testino: Can't we exempt a potential buyer that's already out there?
Attorney Ruggierio: That's a good idea.
Councilman Redmond: That's what I'm saying. I mean we know that there's people left short some interest in this that we have intimate dealings with.
Administrator Shepler: I'm aware of a party who is interested in the property yes.
Councilman Redmond: I'm just worried about excluding that party by doing this.
Attorney Ruggierio: It's probably a good idea that the ordinance could say that with respect to this particular party that we weren't even contacted therefore a realtor couldn't concede because of that sale.
Councilman Hoff: Can you draw up a resolution?
Councilman Testino: Bill what is the process? Larry asked a question, what is the process.
Administrator Shepler: You've done this by resolution Bill.
Councilman Testino: We had two bids and we didn't get...
Administrator Shepler: No, there were no bids ever received. It was advertised.
Mayor Cannon: It went to auction at minimum bid and nobody came forward.
Councilman Testino: I'm sorry, I mis-spoke Mayor. We had two auctions, we had no bidders. We had two bidding processes.
Councilman Cucchiara: Are we selling the property? Let's move along.
Councilman Testino: Now we can go out and attract bidders by other means. Is that what the statute allows?
Attorney Ruggierio: No. We still have to go through the bidding process and I think the statute contemplated keep lowering the price but there's also a way I guess to induce people to bid and that is to give an incentive to the realtors out there to procure purchasers. And so what we're doing is putting a provision in the contract that a realtor can bring us a buyer under contract and pay the commission.
Councilman Redmond: See this is the part that I don't understand, and I don't mean to be dragging this out but you just told me that we can't negotiate that this has to be a public auction. So now the realtor goes and finds somebody to bid at the public auction.
Attorney Ruggierio: Actually if somebody comes through with a buyer of this property at the minimum price ...
Councilman Redmond: Then we all have to have an auction.
Administrator Shepler: That's correct.
Attorney Ruggierio: It's only when we get one or more price that we have to start some kind of auction.
Councilman Testino: So there is a different process.
Attorney Ruggierio: It is a good point that I think both councilmen made about the potential for this sale to be made to the logical purchaser.
Councilman Redmond: I would think that it would be in the township's best interest to perhaps keep it in that...
Councilman Testino: Why should we pay a realtor after we put it out on the market for somebody's... not clear?
President Maher: So we can take it as an open listing rather than a closed listing.
Attorney Ruggierio: An open listing with the carving out of this one particular buyer.
President Maher: Yes so it wouldn't be a closed listing.
Administrator Shepler: And what will the minimum price be?
Councilman Redmond: Well what have you got it in there as?
Administrator Shepler: I had asked the council to put it in at $850,000.00 knowing that I would have to pay a commission of up to 5%. Council suggested at the last meeting that we advertise a minimum of one million dollars.
President Maher: Did you get back to Brian Enright? I've been trying to reach him now for two weeks and he hasn't gotten back to me.
Administrator Shepler: Yes I did. He said he had reached out to you and you had not returned the call.
President Maher: That's not true. Can you find out my question from two weeks ago what did he base the appraisal of $750,000.00 on?
Administrator Shepler: He said he based it on the current sales price of various properties within the area given the highway frontage.
President Maher: Can we get those counts whatever he based it on?
Administrator Shepler: All he did was give me a letter that stated what he felt the going price was.
Councilman Testino: Should we get an appraisal?
President Maher: I'd like to see Brian's analysis of the counts.
Councilman Testino: Mr. President, isn't there a way under the land use law bill that we... I don't know if I should talk to you about this in executive session or not with the buyer that's on the table. Is that something we could talk about in executive session?
Attorney Ruggierio: Sure we could talk about it in executive session but frankly if you're thinking that there's this provision like we have under the public contract law where we go twice to get bids and we don't get them.
Councilman Testino: No. I was thinking if there's a public need that's being addressed that we should have the ability to deal like we do with schools or some other public entity but maybe this is the charitable entity. We have a good fortune of having that particular entity in this town. You have to go to Holmdel or Perth Amboy or some other place. We should make sure in our future economic scheme of things that they want to stay here and expand. Now if that's something that we can make sure that there's a conciliatory basis under the land use law that we should use it if we can. If we can't then we should let them know that this process is going on. It should be incumbent on the administration or your offices to let them know that we fully intend to sell this piece this year and that if they don't get involved in the process they're going to lose an opportunity.
Attorney Ruggierio: There's a couple of points and I think that basically the administrator and the mayor would say that such a notice directed and firmly given to this entity. Number two, and these are your judgments to make. They're ultimately mainly for conveyance on a non treating basis to a non profit organization, but of course I think what people will be promoting here is the objective that you put this profit back into the active tax rolls.
Administrator Shepler: Obviously we do have active tax rolls.
Councilman Testino: But if this purchaser buys it, it's not going to be on the tax rolls, is it?
Administrator Shepler: It's my understanding that it will.
Councilman Testino: Not while it sits fallow. Not until they develop it right?
Administrator Shepler: As soon as it's developed, yes. It's the same as any other property on which we build a charity.
Councilman Testino: These are the quandaries then that crossed my mind and...
Administrator Shepler: But just so the council doesn't think that we have not been in contact the potential buyer that you've indicated has been notified that this was the intent of the administration to go forward with the sale of this property in an accelerated fashion. Because quite frankly this is language for a very long period of time and by virtue of the fact that we actually went to public auction on two separate occasions and did not receive a bid I think testifies the fact that we have been in contact with these people.
President Maher: So our tax assessor says that he's valuing this land at $750,000.00.
Administrator Shepler: That's correct.
President Maher: And this purchaser that we've been talking about has made a bid of $650,000.00. Is that correct?
Administrator Shepler: They haven't made any bid. There were some numbers discussed in private conversations that I had with these people, but no there was no bid received.
President Maher: What you're asking us tonight is to put a newer price to put it out with the broker, right?
Administrator Shepler: That's correct, with the exception of the potential purchaser that we have been discussing.
President Maher: I'm not in a position to give you a bid because I still have the outstanding questions on how we arrived at the $750,000.00.
Councilman Testino: Let's not misuse the words again Dennis. We're not giving any bids.
Mayor Cannon: How do we get this resolved because we talked to Brian about it? He did reach out to you. Can we set up a meeting or something so we can at least get this...?
President Maher: We can set up a meeting between now and next Monday, a conference call. I stopped down at work last Friday, I thought they worked till five and I walked in about a quarter to five and no one was around. I called them again this morning about 8:30a.m. and they didn't return my call all day.
Mayor Cannon: Well he had tried to reach out to you last week.
President Maher: I can't see how Brian is saying that he returned my call.
Administrator Shepler: He did try and call you last week according to Mr. Enright.
President Maher: You can check with Fran Napoli, I called two or three times and he hasn't gotten back to me.
Administrator Shepler: Will you be in your office tomorrow Dennis?
President Maher: Yes.
Administrator Shepler: I'll make sure that some time tomorrow afternoon because I have an appointment outside the office tomorrow morning. He usually comes in at nine and quite frankly he is normally there until five because he does keep that office open for the public.
Councilman Testino: Are you asking us to authorize a sale if they reached a minimum bid amount? Is that what the ordinance is going to say?
Administrator Shepler: It's not an ordinance. Bill has drawn it as a resolution for a sale authorizing a minimum price and the notice to pay a real estate commission in accordance with 48:12 which is the procedure.
Councilman Testino: Then when we get the minimum price is it locked?
Administrator Shepler: Well as Bill indicated if we were to get several prices it would be interesting for Bill to have to make a legal opinion as to where do we go from there if I were to receive say three similar purchasers saying I'll give you your minimum price of a million dollars, what do I do then? That becomes a legal call that I would not even attempt to answer.
Councilman Testino: Once we authorize this procedure we're pretty much locked into it if we get a response.
Administrator Shepler: I think Bill would have to answer that.
Councilman Testino: If we get the price we ask for we're locked into selling it to whoever gives us the price. Is that right?
Attorney Ruggierio: I would say it's an offer.
Councilman Testino: I just want to make sure that the rest of the council understands what we're doing so that it's not just putting it out and it's going to come back and you can say no later.
Councilwoman Marinaccio: It's on the Internet 2%.
Attorney Ruggierio: I would think that somebody could compel a sale.
Councilman Testino: I just don't like to be locked into the middle of a transaction.
Councilwoman Marinaccio: Mr. President, I have a quick question for administration. The five percent with the real estate, have you looked into anything with the Internet selling which is about a 2%?
Administrator Shepler: No, the statute quite frankly authorizes a commission of up to five percent. In talking to Mr. Ruggierio it appeared that the best interest that you would get from an agent in the market would be to offer the maximum commission to generate the most sales. But I don't believe there's anything under the statute that allows us to unless... Bill you'd have to check the licensing to go into that two percent Internet that I'm aware of. I don't think we're that sophisticated.
Attorney Ruggierio: There's an Internet for Old Bridge in New Jersey and of course we could pay them.
Councilwoman Marinaccio: Do we have the sites now for the selling on the Internet? And the whole catch is because they're six percent lower and they're maxed at two percent?
Councilman Testino: Commercial people are getting ten percent.
Councilwoman Marinaccio: Alayne can you check into it?
Administrator Shepler: I believe that two percent only applies to residential properties. I'm not aware in any instance that it applies to commercial properties.
President Maher: Can we get something from Brian Enright in writing like where he arrived at the $750,000.00 number?
Administrator Shepler: I can fax you a letter tomorrow from Brian with that number.
President Maher: I'm not ready to move this up until we see something in writing or...
Administrator Shepler: I can fax you a letter tomorrow. The only reason I'm pushing on this quite frankly is we have an abbreviated council schedule as you know. The next meeting after May 22nd is June 13th.
Councilman Redmond: Well what number are you looking to put on this?
Administrator Shepler: I came to council originally and said I felt $750,000.00 was a fair number based on my assessors appraisal of the fair market value of a piece of property of that nature. There are 10.31 useable acres of property at that location. That's what my $750,000.00 was based on. When it appeared council wasn't moving on the $750,000.00 and we had received nothing at the higher price I then asked if we could bring it to council with the realtor involved so that we could at least net the $750,000.00 that I'm looking at.
Councilman Redmond: So the first time it was a higher number.
Administrator Shepler: The first time it was 1.150 million dollars was the first...
Councilman Redmond: We got no bids.
Administrator Shepler: No bids on that one or the second go around at the same price.
Councilman Testino: Maybe we should start dropping it until we get to the $750,000.00.
Administrator Shepler: The reason to put it to the $850,000.00 quite frankly was to guarantee that the township received what I felt was the fair market value of the property less the commission obviously.
President Maher: I haven't seen a piece of paper saying fair market value Alayne. You're saying
Administrator Shepler: Fair market value is that which is established by the assessor and I'm not an appraiser. As you know the assessor has been licensed or given the ability to do appraisals by the State of New Jersey in the past two years, and he has told me in his professional opinion the property is worth...
President Maher: We need something in writing from Brian saying $750,000.00... not clear. You're asking us to make a decision yet we don't have anything in writing.
Administrator Shepler: You have my word which told you that the assessor has told me the fair market value is $750,000.00. I will be happy to have Mr. Enright fax you a copy of that tomorrow to your office if you provide me with the fax number.
President Maher: Where are you going with this guy?
Councilman Testino: You're looking for a written appraisal aren't you Dennis? Why didn't you say that you want more than just a number? You want to see what he based the number on. I don't care where we're going with this.
Councilman Redmond: We have the gavel. Let's start the bidding.
Administrator Shepler: But if council wants to tell me to try to go to public auction one more time at $750,000.00 I will be happy to agree to that as well.
Councilman Testino: I'm not going for no $750,000.00. I can tell you that right now.
Administrator Shepler: I believe it was Mr. Testino's opinion that a million dollars was an appropriate amount.
Councilman Testino: We went to one point one I think we should start dropping it until we hit until we hit somebody that bids.
Administrator Shepler: And by the time we get there, quite frankly Mr. Testino, that may be the year 2002 budget as opposed to the 2001 budget.
Councilman Testino: I don't know, I have Mr. Shah on my side so I'm happy.
Administrator Shepler: Mr. Shah will always go for the highest possible number. We all know that.
Councilman Testino: I agree with him, get the highest possible number.
Administrator Shepler: That doesn't necessarily mean it's sustained in the open market.
Councilman Testino: The open market is pretty good. You'll get those bids that are coming in over estimates on most of the stuff that we're doing right now.
Administrator: I wish I was selling as much.
Councilman Testino: I have competition on real estate out there you wouldn't believe.
President Maher: Does anyone else want to see something in writing of the appraised value?
Mayor Cannon: We'll get it to you in writing, that's no problem.
Administrator Shepler: I told you can have it by tomorrow afternoon.
Mayor Cannon: I'm just asking you to move it up.
Councilman Testino: What number are you moving it up at? We're going to have this debate next week.
Councilman Redmond: We're going to need a number to move it up at. What did we do one point one? Let's drop it to nine fifty and see what happens.
Councilman Testino: I'll go for nine-fifty.
President Maher: We can always take action on it next week or not take action on it.
Councilman Redmond: You need a number to move it up.
Councilman Cucchiara: $750,000.00, move it up.
Councilman Redmond: No it's too low.
President Maher: We don't have support to move it up.
Councilman Redmond: I think we should move it up. We have a week to come up with a number.
President Maher: We need to come up with a number tonight.
Councilman Testino: We can debate it Monday night
DR-15 Memorandum of Agreement - Teamsters Professionals 7/1/99-6/30/02 (AS)
No discussion.
DR-16 Authorizing installation of gas pipeline on Englishtown Road (GC)
Councilman Cucchiara: The gas company had run a gas pipe line through to service Woodhaven Village from south of Texas Road. So the folks on the northern part of Englishtown from Texas Road had to ask if it would be possible to have a resolution from the council to the gas company authorizing them to finish the balance of the pipeline north of Texas Road down Englishtown Road so it could branch off and service some of those other folks down there because a lot of those folks down there have either LPG Gas or they have oil and I guess everybody knows what they were paying for oil and gas, LPG gas. So this would just be a resolution to the gas company asking them if they would consider finishing the pipeline.
Councilman Testino: There's nothing wrong with that. People need it and they want it.
Moved up.
DR-17 Resolution to Cancel Bond Ordinances (HS)
President Maher: Alayne what's this?
Administrator Shepler: This is called housekeeping. There are several ordinances which the purposes have been fulfilled, the projects are complete and we ask that these ordinances be canceled.
Councilman Redmond: I had a question about that. I'm looking at this list. I mean some of these if I'm not mistaken date back to 1977.
Administrator Shepler: 1991. 9126-77 indicates it was the first two numbers are always going to be the year that the ordinance was proposed.
Councilman Redmond: Alright, what's 90-11? That's 1990 right?
Ms. Shepler: That's 1990, that was the Bush building, yes.
Councilman Redmond: Now that's $33,000 in almost $34,000 in bonding for the Human Service Building. Now what's the Human Service Building?
Ms. Shepler: The Bush Center.
Councilman Redmond: Okay, and there's $33,000 left over from that bond and you're canceling that.
Ms. Shepler: The project has long since been complete and the purpose for which the ordinance was addressed has long since been complete.
Councilman Redmond: And now 93-56 the Pleasant Valley Road improvement 74-9 what happened?
Ms. Shepler: This is a transportation trust fund grant that was charged to the ordinance according to Pinder. I wasn't here at the time but according to Pinder this was a TTF grant and it has been completed. I'm assuming it came in under bid.
Councilman Testino: I think we funded it and then the grant...
Ms. Shepler: I believe what happened and I think Mr. Testino's correct. You funded it yourself because the road needed to be done and then the grant came in after that. So this is the cancellation of that balance.
Councilman Testino: Some money back, right Rock?
Mr. Donatelli: Exactly.
Councilman Redmond: And the twenty-two thousand on the Rose property?
Ms. Shepler: That was in excess of what we expected to spend to acquire the property, yes.
Councilman Testino: Can we put that in our open space account now? Or it's going to go to surplus.
Ms. Shepler: That creative we can't be. The ordinance gets canceled.
Councilman Testino: Is this money earning interest?
Ms. Shepler: No, these are ordinances whose purposes have been completed.
Councilman Redmond: Did we bond for this money?
Ms. Shepler: He may have it in bonds, but because they're 1991 ordinances I would think that they are bond anticipation notes, they were not permanently financed.
Councilman Testino: So then this is $150,000.00 off the forty two million dollars.
Councilman Sohor: We lose the authorization.
Ms. Shepler: That is correct.
DR-18 Award of Contract to Leon Avakian - Disbrow Road & Marlboro Road Improvements & West Central & Riverdale Avenues Drainage Improvements (Phase II) (NI)
President Maher: Is this bonding?
Ms. Shepler: This is cash capital from the 2000 funds.
Mayor Cannon: This is just for the design.
Councilman Redmond: The bid from Schoor DePalma was double what all the rest were, why is that?
Ms. Shepler: That happens quite often.
Councilman Cucchiara: How are the improvements going to be done?
Ms. Shepler: This is just for design work.
Councilman Cucchiara: I ask before that the end of West, Central and Riverdale be piped instead of that ravine that is there.
Ms. Shepler: Speak to Nelson about that because it is not included in the proposal that I looked at (which was not very specific) so I could not answer that question.
Executive Session @ 9:10 p.m.
RESOLUTION #244
BE IT RESOLVED by the Township Council of the Township of Old Bridge, County of Middlesex, New Jersey that:
the public be excluded from this meeting pursuant to NJSA 10:4-13 for the discussion of the following matter or matters:
Canyon Woods
C&L Contracting - Final Settlement
Clerk's Office - Salary Increases
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that this meeting shall reconvene in public session in fifteen minutes and that the minutes or other record of these discussions shall be available to be disclosed to the public in sixty (60) months unless a sooner date is determined by vote of the governing body at a public session.
Moved by Councilman , seconded by Councilman and so ordered on the following roll call vote:
AYES: Councilmen Butler, Cucchiara, Greene, Hoff, Redmond, Sohor, Testino, Councilwoman Marinaccio, President Maher.
NAYS: None.
Meeting Reconvened @ 9:55 p.m.
Discussion
D-1 Morganville Road - Resurfacing Bridge Repairs (DMM)
Alayne Shepler: I believe you have seen a copy of the letter. This has been an ongoing negotiation. There was and still remains some concern that the Morganville Road culvert will be repaired and replaced. The County would like to go to bid on this item and they would like to start work in August. The original word that we heard was that the road would be closed for five months and there are no provisions within the existing contract for emergency vehicles. We have had many discussions and I have met with all of the emergency groups, Cheesequake in particular, who is the fire company that responds and we have worked out as of Friday, May 12th, according to the chief, mutual aid with fire companies within the Township and with the surrounding communities and we feel we have a viable plan in place to protect the residents of Old Bridge. Prior to any detour signs being posted and when we have the date for construction, a letter will be going out to all of the affected residents explaining the detour and the plan and reassuring them that emergency services will be able to get through to their homes.
President Maher: Do the emergency services concur with this plan?
Alayne Shepler: Yes, they do and there is a letter to that effect in your package.
Mayor Cannon: Some of the emergency service representatives were here tonight. They could not stay, but they just wanted to let you know that they are in concurrence and they have worked it out to their satisfaction.
D-2 Reimbursement for display advertisement - Cablevision (GM)
Councilwoman Marinaccio: I am still getting calls from residents who don't understand or are having problems with the whole situation regarding the box business. First, I was going to ask Council to consider asking Cablevision to run a display ad in the Home News explaining what took place and that they could get the cable box . Secondly, I was going to ask that Council support getting Cablevision to put in their billing a letter to Old Bridge residents explaining about the box so that they have a letter in hand when they go to the office to get the box, so that they are not hassled or erroneously charged because we are still having problems here.
Mayor Cannon: There was an ad, although it was not a full page.
Councilwoman Marinaccio: I think we should have them do a full page and really draw attention to it and also put the notice right in the billing.
Mayor Cannon: Rose-Marie, who put the ad in the newspaper?
Clerk Saracino: We placed an ad in the newspaper to advise the residents that they should notify the Mayor's office of any complaints they might have regarding their cable service so they could be logged for future reference.
President Maher: Ms. Marinaccio is talking about putting a bill insert along with the bill for service that the cable box is available for free and they can be picked up at Ernston Road.
Councilman Hoff: I think you might be able to get Cablevision to put a notice in the bill, but I don't think you will be able to get Cablevision to pay for a full page ad.
Councilman Redmond: If I might make a suggestion, it is my understanding a meeting is supposed to take place within the next week or so, the committee people who are negotiating certainly can bring it up at that time.
Councilwoman Marinaccio: I don't think it is a negotiable item. They went and changed the service and I still have people in my ward who are having problems. They did not properly advertise it and they did not help us with anything, so let them pay for the full page ad in the newspaper and get the notice in the billing.
Councilman Hoff: Let's move this up for Monday night.
D-3 Clerk's Office - Salary Increases (GM)
Discussed in Executive Session.
D-4 Requesting Cablevision alert Old Bridge Residents of entitlement of free cable box. (GM)
Discussed under D1.
D-5 Open Space Trust Fund - Written Communication from State on use of prior money 1987 referendum.
Councilman Testino: I am waiting for Mr. Shah to give me the evidence that he said he was going to give me.
Alayne Shepler: Do you want to carry this over to the next agenda since Mr. Shah is not here? He did say he would provide it but I don't see it in the package and he is not available tonight.
Councilman Testino: Carry it for one meeting.
D-6 Housing Authority Appointment (DMM) (ET)
Councilman Testino: You have before you a listing that the Clerk gave us as to what the appointments are suppose to be as opposed to what was done with resolutions, so we need some corrective resolutions. Correct, Rose-Marie?
Clerk Saracino: Yes.
Councilman Testino: We need to straighten out the term so they remain staggered. Laura Kohler's term is suppose to be an unexpired term of Gordon's, so it should end 5/18/01. Mary Anne Guarliaccio's should be a five year term, it should end 5/18/04. Elizabeth English; even thought that is not our appointment, she is not indefinite, it should end 12/31/04; which coincides with the Governor's term. This is just housekeeping.
President Maher: Move this up for Monday.
ADDED DURING THE MEETING
Ms. Shepler: I would ask that you award a bid to the Township from Sprint. They are going to be leasing ground space from us, in addition to the tower out there. They were the only bidder, the minimum for the request was $15,600.00, they bid the minimum with a 5% escalator over the succeeding five years.
Councilman Testino: Did this go out to bid?
Ms. Shepler: It was a land lease, in accordance with 48:12 we are leasing them the property.
REPORTS
R-1 Cops in the Schools (Report by: Administration) (DMM)
President Maher: Do we have any more information?
Ms. Shepler: We still have not received the grant amount from the federal government. We have been working in close conjunction with Dr. Rodriguez and the Police Department. As soon as we have the final numbers we will share them with council.
Councilman Hoff: I thought I saw something from the Police Department that they received a letter.
Ms. Shepler: There is a letter that says we were awarded a sum up to $500,000.00 and that we will be receiving the grant award shortly.
Councilman Redmond: Wasn't there something attached that you were suppose to sign and send back?
Ms. Shepler: There wasn't anything to send back. I have been calling Washington and we have been assured that we will be receiving it shortly.
Mayor Cannon: We did get a grant but we don't have the amount or the paperwork to sign.
Councilman Redmond: Didn't the letter say that you had to provide them with proof that you had budgeted for the four officers?
Ms. Shepler: That letter was very deceiving, the proof is when you sign the grant award letter and return it to them, you have then indicated that you will hire as many additional officers as the grant provides. That is the budget assurance.
Councilman Testino: Will that coincide with the fall semester?
Ms. Shepler: That is what we are looking forward to.
Councilman Testino: I hope that we can start it at the next school year.
Mayor Cannon: The next schooling for the police is the beginning of August so we have to start the process.
Councilman Redmond: Can't we just hire the policemen?
Mayor Cannon: If we don't get the amount for four...
Councilman Redmond: It says up to four.
Mayor Cannon: Yes, up to.
Councilman Redmond: I don't want to miss out on this while we are playing phone tag.
Ms. Shepler: We are working actively on this.
President Maher: Carry this for two weeks.
R-2 Mimi Road & Brookside Traffic Light (Report by: Administration)
Councilman Cucchiara: It is working.
R-3 Special Compensation Case - R. Conde, Analysis of Costs. (Report by: Finance & Legal)
President Maher: Carry this for two weeks.
LIQUOR LICENSE
LL-1 Place to Place (Expansion of Premises) Pepperheads, Inc.
License #1209-33-021-005
No discussion.
LL-2 Place to Place (Expansion of Premises) Glenwood Country Club
License #1209-33-017-001
Mr. Spirito: I am here in case there are any questions.
President Maher: Do we have all the necessary paperwork?
Clerk Saracino: Yes.
President Maher: I saw a map and it looked like we were expanding this throughout the entire golf course.
Mr. Spirito: We are. We have a beverage cart and we would like to sell beer from the cart, we have had quite a few requests for this.
Mayor Cannon: Will we be doing this 365 days a year?
President Maher: Will the people selling beer on the cart be over eighteen years of age?
Mr. Spirito: I am not sure.
President Maher: Can you look into that and get back to us?
MOTION
to adjourn at 10:15 p.m. by Councilman Cucchiara, seconded by Councilman Hoff and so adjourned on an all aye vote.
President Dennis M. Maher
Rose-Marie Saracino, Township Clerk
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